Brave Books

In this episode, I sit down with debt elimination expert and The Ramsey Show co-host Jade Warshaw to unpack a truth most people never hear: your money problem isn’t about your income — it’s about your emotions. Jade shares her own journey from financial stress and overwhelm to becoming debt-free, and the rock-bottom moment that forced her to confront the beliefs and behaviors driving her spending. We talk about why making more money rarely fixes what’s actually broken, the biggest lie keeping families financially stuck, and why so many high-income earners are still drowning in debt. If you’ve ever felt ashamed, exhausted, or constantly behind — even while “doing all the right things” — this conversation will feel both confronting and freeing. Jade offers practical steps to get unstuck, insight for couples navigating saver-spender dynamics, and a powerful reframe on what “enough” really means. This episode isn’t just about budgeting — it’s about healing your relationship with money so you can finally build wealth with clarity and peace. Sponsors: Ra Optics enter the code ELLENFISHER for 10% off your order or use my link https://raoptics.com/ELLENFISHER Brave Books: Get 20% off the Book Club — and enjoy FREE full access to BRAVE+ with your subscription https://bravebooks.com/ellen Cozy Earth: enter the code ELLEN for up to 20% off your order at Cozy Earth https://cozyearth.com/ Anima Mundi Herbals: Enter the code ELLEN for 15% off your first Anima Mundi Herbals order: https://glnk.io/2orpr/ellen Thank you to our sponsors for today’s episode! WHERE TO FIND JADE website: https://www.ramseysolutions.com/jade-warshaw?srsltid=AfmBOopyLStK9m3mo4exQeSrZM4gj-VMT0NP4OUzdEHtTRsZ7_E4MBKW Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jadewarshaw/ Book: https://store.ramseysolutions.com/money/books/what-no-one-tells-you-about-money-by-jade-warshaw/ WHERE TO FIND ME Get The Empowered Pregnancy & Birth course: https://go.theempoweredbirth.com/ellen Get my ebooks: https://www.ellenfisher.com/ebooks My instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ellenfisher/ LISTEN to these episodes on Apple Podcast or Spotify: https://link.chtbl.com/ellenfisherpod Elevate your videos with record-label quality music from Musicbed: https://fm.pxf.io/ellen-freetrial